# JackTrip and QJackCtl on the latest macOS 11 and 12 | Definitive guide? **URL:** \ **Category:** Open Source Software\ **Created:** [June 20, 2022, 2:16am UTC](https://community.jacktrip.org/t/jacktrip-and-qjackctl-on-the-latest-macos-11-and-12-definitive-guide/377 "2022-06-20T02:16:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dndrew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.jacktrip.org/dndrew/32/332_2.png) [@dndrew](https://community.jacktrip.org/u/dndrew)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 2:16am UTC](https://community.jacktrip.org/t/jacktrip-and-qjackctl-on-the-latest-macos-11-and-12-definitive-guide/377/1 "2022-06-20T02:16:29Z")
I’m lost in the Jack `rabbit hole`: Jack, -Trip, -Pilot, -Router, QJackCtl v.??, for macOS 11 and will be upgrading to macOS 12, shortly. In addition, I can not keep track of what works and what is out-of-date among the plethora of `open source` projects . Does anyone have a definitive approach/guide for set-up (macOS 11)? For instance, are software, like Logic Pro and Max/MSP, no longer `Jack-aware`? ---
**Author:** ![Synthia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.jacktrip.org/synthia/32/81_2.png) [@Synthia](https://community.jacktrip.org/u/Synthia)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://community.jacktrip.org/t/jacktrip-and-qjackctl-on-the-latest-macos-11-and-12-definitive-guide/377/2 "2022-06-20T20:10:39Z")
Don’t worry, it’s a steep learning curve especially when the documentation spans two decades. You have found your way to some good info here and with 15 years in, I will help you. We could even do a zoom at some point if you like. See below for short answers: > I’m lost in the Jack `rabbit hole`: Jack, is the mixing interface that talks to the computer system audio and ‘hosts’ Jack -trip to send to and receive from the network JackTrip will run in without JACK > -Pilot, basically does similar things as jack but not as much and don’t run both > -Router, is deprecated and only available in windows it lets a daw run jack as a native app > QJackCtl v.?? is the navigation app for JACK comes in the jack pkg but is technically a separate app with a separate dev team > for macOS 11 and will be upgrading to macOS 12, shortly. In addition, I can not keep track of what works and what is out-of-date among the plethora of `open source` projects . JackTrip lives on github. THE LINK BELOW HAS A CHANGELOG AND LINKS TO GITHUB [https://jacktrip.github.io/jacktrip/](https://jacktrip.github.io/jacktrip/) > Does anyone have a definitive approach/guide for set-up (macOS 11)? For instance, are software, like Logic Pro and Max/MSP, no longer `Jack-aware`? Jack-Router is what made apps ‘Jack-aware’. The JACK audio team stopped supporting Jack-Router for OSX, but it is still available for Windows during installation - check the box. OSX users have migrated to Loopback or Blackhole for virtual routing from JACK/JackTrip to their DAW or other apps. Jan Stoltenberg made a video on it a while back on the following link: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2rUo70fxsY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2rUo70fxsY) Let me know if you would like to zoom. ---
**Author:** ![dndrew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.jacktrip.org/dndrew/32/332_2.png) [@dndrew](https://community.jacktrip.org/u/dndrew)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://community.jacktrip.org/t/jacktrip-and-qjackctl-on-the-latest-macos-11-and-12-definitive-guide/377/3 "2022-06-20T21:19:33Z")
Thank you @Synthia . First, I will run tests with my colleagues. Next, I’ll get back to you on this topic. Does this forum permit me to DM you, only? ---
**Author:** ![Synthia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.jacktrip.org/synthia/32/81_2.png) [@Synthia](https://community.jacktrip.org/u/Synthia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://community.jacktrip.org/t/jacktrip-and-qjackctl-on-the-latest-macos-11-and-12-definitive-guide/377/4 "2022-06-21T00:31:16Z")
all here are welcome to chime in on your post. DMs to me can be sent to [synthiapayne@pm.me](mailto:synthiapayne@pm.me) thanks! ---
**Author:** ![dndrew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.jacktrip.org/dndrew/32/332_2.png) [@dndrew](https://community.jacktrip.org/u/dndrew)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://community.jacktrip.org/t/jacktrip-and-qjackctl-on-the-latest-macos-11-and-12-definitive-guide/377/5 "2022-07-05T00:35:30Z")
Thx @Synthia . This article did it for me [https://www.haven2.com/index.php/archives/loopback-routing-jacktrip-audio](https://www.haven2.com/index.php/archives/loopback-routing-jacktrip-audio) Nevertheless, it would be nice to chat. I still have questions about your JT experiences ---
**Author:** ![Synthia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.jacktrip.org/synthia/32/81_2.png) [@Synthia](https://community.jacktrip.org/u/Synthia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:55am UTC](https://community.jacktrip.org/t/jacktrip-and-qjackctl-on-the-latest-macos-11-and-12-definitive-guide/377/6 "2022-07-05T04:55:55Z")
A great resource to be sure! Please feel free to post your questions here and I’ll share what I know. Others could have input too. Like you could create a post for multiple people to contribute. I like to think about sharing in terms of adding to the continuum. ---
**Author:** ![Synthia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.jacktrip.org/synthia/32/81_2.png) [@Synthia](https://community.jacktrip.org/u/Synthia)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://community.jacktrip.org/t/jacktrip-and-qjackctl-on-the-latest-macos-11-and-12-definitive-guide/377/7 "2022-07-12T23:17:11Z")